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I’m realizing I didn’t quite cover my full argument here in this cast so I’m going to need to record a part 2 to address some of the illogic behind pro-vote advocates as well as those worrying about said political turnouts… prob record that tomorrow! 👍

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Coming here to say we’re on the same page man: https://unorthodoxy.substack.com/p/why-we-need-to-stop-voting-in-presidential

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Mike, love your talks, you bring up deep subjects. I want to pose a different picture about leaders. Yes most people think we need leaders but no we don’t. What we need is quality consensus. There will be leaders that come to the fore because they appeal to people through their skill, experience or storytelling,and sometimes it works for us. however leadership is not formal at all and should be purely spontaneous. Leadership in nature is very temporary and that's how we need to treat it. Someone better always comes up pretty soon, because we learn from each other. To plan to be a leader is cheesy. This comes about because we only have one interpretation of reality and an entire other aspect is totally missing, and ignored so we don't see answers.

Qortal is a good basis to get something going such as a quality consensus sysstem. We have got to get our minds out of the framework of being governed. There is absolutely no reason for adults to govern other adults! It’s preposterous. It may have been needed in the old times, but now, with digital tech, especially Qortal, all we need is a quality consensus system. I can explain it all if you’re interested.

A quality consensus system can start in the family as well as any scale of people of three or more.

What we also need is to create the conditions that make it unfavorable for sociopaths and psychopaths. Right now the conditions are perfect for them and they are at the top of the heap ruling US! How can we change the conditions so that it makes it imperfect for them?

The answer is so simple, it’s amazing that it isn’t recognized. Indeed, all the answers are simple as far as I can see. But very few have the harmonic keys to be able to see.

The answer to the one thing that would make conditions unfavorable for socio/psychpaths is free speech. That’s all it takes. They cannot thrive in the open. Only if censorship is present can socio/psychpaths thrive. So if we uphold free speech, not censor each other, or block or ban, it would set the conditions that show our contempt for censorship and then they wouldn't be doing it. "We have the power"

We should simply say what we like and learn to live in honesty. If many of us did that they wouldn’t be able to keep up. Anyway what difference does it make now that they have everything geared to exterminate us? We miight as well push the envelope.

Our minds need to go beyond “governance”. Instead we need to simply have our say on everything. Why have someone represent you when you can represent yourself? Nobody can rule over another so what we have to do is find consensus. It would cause groups to sprout but that is as it should be, there'll be something for everyone. To keep thinking we need governance is keeping us from thinking outside of that paradigm and getting the job done! We need to open the door to think another way. And there IS another way. The idea of law also is fallacious. I can explain that later if you request it.

Follow me for more tips on “how to make a new paradigm”!

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I agree with many of these points and yes as someone who has studied consensus on all fronts due to my role developing decentralized networks I have a lot to say about this! Gonna need to devote an entire series to this 😉

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I'd love to talk with you about what I have come up with. It's beautiful and I think if you'll pardon me, but this is what I really believe - it's not going to come from men. You know why? Because we only have ever had male's interpretations of everything and men cannot see out of this box. I'm not trying to be degrading I'm simply stating how I genuinely feel.

I notice the Voluntaryist conference coming up in November - notice only men featured as speakers? How are we going to get the feminine interpretations doing it this way? And it's not just one woman or two, tokenistic like we normally see, and people think it's equal. No it is not. We need to notice ratios. And by noticing rations, it puts us into the new paradigm mind.

Should men listen to women, THEN they'll go forward and come up with their own great ideas. But right now I can see everyone is so stuck.

I giggle because I know we are going to supersede this paradigm. But it doesn't look like it right now.

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Respectfully disagree that it's not going to come from men. It's not going to come from the feelings of women except maybe for those with husbands who listen to them.

Our culture broke down basically in response to women not knowing their place, demanding a voice and power over not just their own lives but others as well.

Women are too easily herded by narratives that cater to their egos and cause them to act in ways that are incredibly petty well into old age; they were the biggest tyrants during covid, anywhere women are in power ends up a disaster, whether it's what happened to countries like Sweden with their all female government or corporations since most women are waaaaay too insecure to mentor the next generation without simultaneously handicapping them.

Men need to be restored to their full glory with the support of women who know their place, e.g. a good man already listens to a high caliber wife. The problem is that our culture is producing masses of entitled women who have little to contribute to moving humanity/culture forward out of the intersection.

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By-the-way, I must fess up - I think you're awesome especially because you are so open minded and consider everything. Alfa Vedic is so up-to-the-minute. I love all AV does. You do things so well, it's very admirable. If only this excellence was "the norm"!

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I love all of these perspectives! There's truth in all of it. If we could strip away all of the identities and drill down to the essence of what we all are and relate to each other there - our Christ consciousness, the one singular mind where all are equal and all solutions dwell.

I love your channel, Mike. You have helped me reframe so many things. I also love the AV channel and appreciate the diverse range of guests you and Barre invite. A major force for good in my life and I'm sure many others.

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Free speech doesn't override charisma. How is it that people are duped in the first place?

Social and psychological manipulation are just tools to generate more people that are trusting and less discerning so they are more susceptible to charisma.

Social media before 2020 is a good example of how free speech is enacted by "the masses", oblivious to the greater picture for the most part.

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Not sure what you mean exactly. Charisma, yeah nothing trumps that except awareness and questioning. I am very strongly in favor of free speech and feel it is our "salvation" and safeguard against psychopathic manipulations. They just couldn't get away with it all if they didn't impose censorship. The world would be a very different place if we were free to say what we think. That would be the closest thing to reading each other's minds and it's always better to know rather than harbor our emotions. Though we need to allow all speech, it doesn't mean we can't tell someone that they're full of sh!t and why we think that.

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Just saying that a large percentage of people will never think for themselves to the extent that they see through more than the surface layers of the social simulations being imposed on their perceptions. Charisma directed mass psychosis will form their expression of free speech. True free thinking is much more rare than most of free thinkers imagine.

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A purposely broken system to deceive the masses. I agree, stop voting in these rigged elections.

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Kennedy is the game changer this time. Trump agreed to put him over all of the gov agencies responsible for regulating AG, food and drugs. His agenda is to reform these agencies (CDC, FDA, HHS, EPA etc..), get ALL corporate influence and money out of these agencies and hire civil servants who truly serve the public and not the corporations who pay their salaries, which is the current situation. If the Dems win you can kiss this media platform goodbye. You’ll have no where to legally voice your opinion let alone your opposition. Europe all ready put the president of Telegram in prison for not censoring people they wanted censored. Brazil just kicked X (Twitter) out of their country for allowing free speech which was not controlled by the gov. Kamala said she wants to do the same and shut down Elon Musk. No vote will be a vote for Kamala and censorship. And much more. If you must choose between two evils, then pick the one who supports the constitution, 1st, 2nd and 4th amendment. If you don’t like Kamala or Trump, choose Trump so you get Kennedy.

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Guess you haven't seen his latest sexting episode. What a shame and a sham.

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You haven't seen them either. It's hearsay. Let his validated actions speak for him.

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Wakey wakey, Kennedy is a contropp agent as well. Virus pusher, climate pusher, vax enthousiast, list goes on.

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Mike, voting doesn't mean you are in the hen house or the jackal house or any house. We can be in the world but not of the world. You can participate in the governance process without being governed or some nonsense that you are contracting with the government as a citizen therefore bound, enslaved in some way by doing so. We are infinitely more than this. We do not have to participate in the world on the worlds terms, but to know and love everything as our self, in love. Love is the recognition of our inseparable nature. The world is as we are. When you rightly state the you are, I Am, consciousness, you chose to add what you are conscious of, Mike Winner. Are you also contracting with the government again by doing so because this is your name on a birth certificate? On an earlier podcast you asked that we send our prayers for deliverance and protection for those threatened by storms. You did not turn you back on the storm, as some unalterable disaster, but to suggest that we can effect the storm from a place of peace and love, to actively seek to lessen the storm in first in our thought, an intercessionary prayer, knowing the importance for us to live this prayer in our lives, as you say to create, express abundance and joy, in the midst of storms, that become no longer storms but our deliverance. The world is as we are. Voting, like any action in life can also be from this loving place in consciousness. Don't let some idea of the perfect be the enemy of the good. We can express goodness in thought and action in the world without being perfect. We should not be hindered in the way we live and move and have our being in this world because it is not perfect. The world is imperfect but it can be moved gradually in a better direction, even if it's just small steps, first within ourselves.

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Damn, I’m so relieved to hear your stance on voting/not voting. I haven’t voted for years. I am minimally “trained”, if you will, in the arena of Government, Political Parties, etc. I have seen many elections come to pass, many injustices, lack of true leadership, laws being enacted, ways of the workings of “The System”….. With event of Covid, I questioned “Am I Democrat or Republican”, then realizing I am neither. That I don’t relate with this system. I haven’t since I was very young (I am now 58).

I AM a deep thinker, feeler, hoper, dreamer… this keeps me on the fringes of “The Norm”. It always has.

As I age, I am relieved and challenged to be on the Fringes, on the edge, the few, the one who questions…. Everything.

It is difficult to be here, in this space…many don’t relate.

We/I need integrity to function in this world however difficult it may be.

Thank you Mike

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I have compassion and empathy for the pain of being on the fringes. I am joining you there and us Fringies I trust, are on the forefront of creating the new system because we have shut the door on the current system.

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Not voting, actually IS voting. Your non vote will be taken/stolen, and used by the Democrats anyway. so, by not voting, you are allowing the avowed communists to stay in power. What we've seen over the past, almost 4 years, is nothing compared to what's coming, if we don't end this by electing President Trump. These totalitarian marxists, will legalize 20+ million illegal aliens, who are even now in every swing state, meaning there will be no more swing states going forward. They will pack the supreme court with activist judges, and pass every wet dream of an agenda they have ever had, and they will remove the Constitution, as we know it. We will see WWIII, and they will draft those between the ages of 18-35, and send them to every possible foreign war they can get us into .. and, finally they will succeed with the Cloward-Piven Strategy, begun in the 60s, and finish us off economically and financially, and regardless of your standing as a man, woman, sovereign citizen etc, none of that will matter .. because none of that works in places like China. N , Korea, Indonesia, where they no longer operate under the precepts of Law, civil law, or anything stemming from the Magna Carta Doctrine.

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Let's not forget that the illegal aliens/migrants can carry firearms without a license/permit/training or FOID card (required from all of us). A gun shop owner 35 miles northwest of Chicago, received a US Federal memo/letter stating so. He was so outranged, he shared the letter on social media. Unfortunately, I can't find it now. What is to say that some of the illegals won't become the new police force to enforce Marshall Law? Anything is possible in this crazy video game we are living in!

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I had not heard that, but if true, that is chilling. And, I am inclined to believe it, as they never, ever required illegals to take the "vaccine" either. While they were forcing people out of the military, refusing to accept their religious exemptions, they were allowing millions to enter the country, unvetted, unvaccinated and adding insult, to actual injury, giving them thousands of dollars, plus housing, health care, and every other benefit, courtesy of the American taxpayer. Then when American's are in crisis, like Maui, or E Palestine, OH, or Hurricane victims, who've lost everything, they offer them 750.00 LOANS. This is the choice we now face. With one side, it's only the beginning of the hell we've been experiencing. The only reason fuel prices are half way decent, is because they've emptied the federal reserves. Should they win, watch them double & triple within a few months of the election, and we enter a full fledged recession, that will make the 1930s look like a walk in the park. Re electing President Trump means a return to peace and prosperity and a return to sanity. Deportation begins on day one. Mandates & federal regulations are dismantled. RFK Jr comes in and cleans up the corrupt and captured agencies, NIH, CDC, FDA, EPA. Elon comes in and reduces government waste immediately. WWIII is stopped in it's tracks. This is not a hard choice, for people who are awake.

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Wish you'd get out and vote. Vote trump or you'll never see another election again under Kamala

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Can't count how many times we've heard that about Trump. New boss same as the old boss. Step out of the illusion

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This is how it really works whether you agree or not . Blue and Red is one of the same . Parties are corporately selected well in adbvance covertly of course . You may agree or not but in any case we are still humanitarian friends together of this good earth we must find in our hearts to love more .

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I used to be an anarchist and didn't vote for about 8 years. Ignoring them and "withdrawing my consent" didn't make them go away, unfortunately. We are just not in a place of consciousness as a society where we are going to get anywhere with the "self governing" rhetoric. Of course you are all free to "show us how it's done" while Marxist/globalists destroy our country. I decided instead, to get involved on a local level and use my first amendment rights more effectively. It's amazing what changes when the people are paying attention and aren't afraid to speak in large numbers.

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Not voting doesn’t equal quiet acquiescence to the system…that notion is part of the victim mentality that drives voting…when one innerstands their true power as the sentient moral being who can wield the sword of Law upon the state when in equity and honor and who is in fact the creditor for the system, one can negotiate any offer by the state at will and then go about producing beauty and life-affirming enterprise in the private where nature actually exists. If just a small percentage of us did that in our own community the parallel society would rapidly take off and the fiction of government would no longer play into our daily lives.

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That's an interesting switch. So you choose to put your energy, your electricity, towards keeping this system alive huh? Then you blame people who are putting their energy into building something new (and wonderful). This can take a very short time, but we can only do it by "recruiting" more people and you should be on the front lines helping us! I agree with you though that we should be actively engaged in new systems NOW, today. But we're not and there is no reason for this except there is a barrier in our psychic conditioning which we need to get past.

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Democracy can never work because you give people the power to control others. That doesn’t end well. With a constitutional republic you at least have certain rights protected from the majorities opinions.

Reality will never allow a democracy to work. Only in fantasy.

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The voting is a way of pretending that we have a democracy which flew out of the window some time ago.

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Yes, I hear 'more of the same'. Myself, independent. However, doing nothing risks letting the real movers behind the politicians and the voting game plan to roll right over us in ways we don't want. This is what we need to be more than vocal about guarding against.

I find that the campaigning is quite divisive - and I believe those behind the scenes want it that way. Not voting and doing nothing else simply gives them their way.

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2024 Elections: bought or stolen? Both!

https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/2024-elections-bought-or-stolen

It's important that people share, not the article, but the information! I'm expendable. Saving the free world, is not!

It's a Truman show. Yet, if we don't vote we get the worst of the worse.

After prayer, this is the only peaceful way out:

Freemasonry is one of the “churches” of Satan: in their documents worship Lucifer as their “Great Architect”. “Separation of church and State” requires eliminating the demono-cracy over Government.

Theocracy comes from “theo”, God, “cratos”, power, but this has nothing to do with God, but Satan and his demons, so it’s a demono-cracy by the SSS (Satanic Secret Societies).

Get the murderers out of government: force masons to self-identify by law under severe penalty (their oath doesn't forbid self-identification, also, evil oaths are void).

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2. MAGA (Make Assets Great Again): money should be 100% backed with gold and real assets. This makes masonic counterfeiting harder. They are buying everything with trillions of fake money: listed corporations, media, medical system, political parties, prosti-ticians, universities… !

Satanic secret societies like the masons are increasing the financial supply through:

- Forging dollars using the Federal Reserve they fully control

- Money creation through bank loans without reserves

- Financial “wealth” creation out of thin air through financial instruments such as derivatives

- Government debt

It's what I call finflation: inflation of financial instruments

The way out of this financial nightmare:

1. Create an easy system for “real money”: private currencies/warrants/tokens based on real assets, goods, services, etc. (gold, corn, flour, oil, distance/volume/weight transportation, labor human hour/minute, etc.)

2. Ban:

a) Legal tender (free markets decide which “real money” they prefer to trade with)

b) Paper-backed debt, including:

- Currencies (even foreign)

- Government debt: allowing a government to get indebted is like giving credit to a drug-addict.

- Fractional reserve loaning: all financial loans should be 100% backed by deposits (so banks don't create money based on air), and therefore, there's no need for a Central Bank, because there would be no risk of bank-runs since all their loans are fully backed. Kill Central Banks.

3. Make usury illegal again! It’s a sin in the Bible!

Force all social networks and media to kill algorithmic moderation (shadow banning, etc.) and reinstate all closed accounts. Only messages selling things can be blocked IF it comes from outside one's network. Let people decide who's in their social network and that's it.

Replace the internet with a new peer to peer protocol, not government controlled, not centralized.

Get out of the UN organizations (including WHO), get out of the IMF, WorldBank, OAS, IADB, etc. All have been weaponized. Create alternative cooperative organizations, never legally binding.

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3. The full plan exposed and 16 laws we need to exit Extermination Planet

https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/the-plan-revealed

https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/laws-to-exit-planet-prison

No Free Speech without Reach. We need a #FreeReach laws urgently!

http://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/no-free-speech-without-reach

Why is food poisoning legal?

How Rumsfeld forced the approval of lethal Aspartame.

Artificial sweeteners, MSG, PFAS, Glyphosate ... go organic!

https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/why-is-food-poisoning-legal

How about REAL democracy: townhall republican democracy?

https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/reinventing-democracy

Minimize the Federal Government. Repeal 16th amendment (income tax)

Rethinking science

Sciencing the rigged and corrupt scientific system for an overdue turnaround

Unless we change it, we’re doomed to the next PLANdemic. And yet, nothing has changed, only got worse!

https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/rethinking-science

Government spends 2x per student in public schools with respect to private ones and 3x at university level, with worse outcomes in all levels of education.

Time for a 100% voucher system, where parents can choose schools or earn the voucher money themselves if they homeschool (and their kids pass the exams), or through grand/parent/teacher coops.

This would allow many mothers to leave a work they hate and stay home with their babies and children, especially in the most important years of childhood until 6 years old. It would have a deep impact on society.

How to save the life from the COVID vaxxed in 10 easy fast steps?

Appeal to authority (that’s the only thing they listen to):

1. Show that, while it is still given in the USA, all countries in Northern Europe banned Moderna due to the severe after-effects (let’s not call them side effects, but deliberate effects).

2. Show them Florida’s declaration not recommending COVID vaccines to most of the population.

3. Show Texas and 4 other states suing Pfizer for lying about vaccine efficacy (couldn’t sue the rest because of special DoD protection).

4. Show Health Canada’ statement about finding DNA plasmids in mRNA shots, proving they hacked the cell nucleus. Show the Swedish study proving that the cell nucleus is hacked by mRNA vaccines. Show that 30% of the proteins produced by the hacked cells have nothing to do with COVID.

5. Show that Health Canada also says that Pfizer inserted a sequence of the SV40 monkey virus. Show the studies proving that SV40 is carcinogenic.

6. Show that the Republican Party declared COVID “vaccines” a “biological and technical biopeapon” and instructed the authorities to seize vials and run a forensic analysis.

Appeal to science:

7. Show the studies proving that the injected are still producing spike protein and other unknown ones.

8. Show the studies proving that the spike protein was engineered to kill in Wuhan by adding HIV sequence and a Moderna cancer-related patent.

9. Convince them to labtest the amount of spike protein in their blood, which is still produced by their hacked cells. If they can’t afford it:

10. Convince them to lower the spike protein in blood by trying any of the spike detox protocols based mostly on cheap medicines. They have nothing to lose, by trying it for a week, if their health improves, then they know that the bio-weapon caused their health problems:

https://covid19criticalcare.com/protocol/i-recover-post-vaccine-treatment/

https://worldcouncilforhealth.org/resources/spike-protein-detox-guide/

https://anamihalceamdphd.substack.com/p/lipid-nanoparticle-associated-inflammation/

https://anamihalceamdphd.substack.com/p/methylene-blue-prevents-and-reverses/

https://www.earthclinic.com/remedies/methylene-blue.html

God willingly, I’ll soon post about all that, in-depth with all the references.

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Please do not lump baby boomers all together. I'm probably around your mother's age & unlike your mother, I am able to see through the lies. I never drank the Kool-Aid. I had a smart Dad, who knew true history (not found in history books). He told us about the people, we now call the globalists (the powerful families with the money). Just follow the money...Unfortunately, a few relatives went on to get their PHDs, falling into the black hole taught in the government schools.

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Yes this is why I mentioned the whole ‘generation generalization’ is a psyop in and of itself! We’re all able to be individual cogs in the wheel if we choose! Good on you for being you!

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so with you on this

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