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Alison's avatar

Hi Mike! Have you read the works of Fr. Seraphim Rose? You may appreciate his insights! Specifically, the book 'Genesis, Creation, and Early Man' touches on these topics of Creationism and Evolution as seen from his Eastern Christian perspective. He was an American Scholar who became an Orthodox monk. Really interesting man!

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Mike Winner's avatar

No I have not! Will check him out thanks!

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Alison's avatar

He lived as a monk in the mountains of Northern Cali - your neck of the woods! He's passed on now, but has some good writings to look into.

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maraika danisch's avatar

Good day!

Are you familiar with Gregg Bradon?

He's great, and touches on much of the topics you discuss and opens it all up for questioning everything. Spirituality, Geology, humanness, The Heart, and so much more!

He's very nice to listen to and has a huge heart....I highly recommend checking him out.❤️

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Mike Winner's avatar

Yes been following him since about 2014!

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maraika danisch's avatar

Nice!

I've been following him for many years as well! I think he's great! Gosh, maybe as far back as... the early 2000's... man, time flys by so quick!!

I'm glad you're following him too...😊

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poetinapaperbag's avatar

"No, we do not come from apes"

But Apes and We, do come from the same place.

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Explorer's avatar

The common contemporary pronunciation is In-TEL-uh-KEE. From ancient Greek. The drive for a lifeform to be what it's parent was. (paraphrased) The classic example is the acorn's entelachy is to be an oak tree.

Now. Determinatism is just the idea that there is a strict cause and effect sequence, that random occurrences don't happen. It relys heavily on dismissing choice on the grounds that even your choice outcomes are determined by the circumstances of the causal chain. No choice can be random.

Intelligent design is "divine" determinism, planned evolution. Plato's Forms is also divine determinatism, deity msde perfect forms to shape the physical realm. Morphic resonance is deterministic, resonant energy fields that guide matter to take a specific form, though Sheldrake does allow for some variation in the final form and proposes that the fields can spontaneously come into existence when a new physical form accidentally occurs.

You did specify 'mechanistic' or 'chemical' determinism a few times so maybe you were mentally delineatimg them from determinism in general.

You know? I'd really hate to live in an environment that didn't have a fair amount of deterministic characteristics. What would life be like if you had to go on a treasure hunt for your refrigerator every time you wanted to make a meal? Or the layout of your house changed at random?

Reality is never either or.

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Mike Winner's avatar

Thanks for the pronunciation assistance there! I read that on the fly with no prep and it showed! (Too busy for such formalities) as for deterministic tendencies in science, that is a lot different that general determinism in life. It comes down to awareness around the cause (and obviously I’m a big fan of deterministic action related to ethics given I espouse Thinking & Destiny so much which is very cause and effect driven) and then the varied branches of effects but when there is zero concept of what the actual cause is, and when the after effects are instead stipulated as said cause through circular reasoning (like with virology) we have a big issue at hand!

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poetinapaperbag's avatar

~ID entity~

The evidence for Intelligent Design

The faithful say exists

Its' provenance prefixed in acronym

The futile fits of IDiots:

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Explorer's avatar

Why not both intelligent and non intelligent intervention? No ultimate plan, just experiments and tweaks.

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poetinapaperbag's avatar

Because intelligence is post hoc.. It is artform made of instinct.

You can't reverse engineer it ..ergo propter hoc.

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Explorer's avatar

Michael Levin uses the working definition of intelligence as the ability to achieve the same goal by different paths. Human level intelligence may look like an artform to some, but it's really basic cognition with a wide and plentiful variety of choice vectors.

No, intelligence, defined as the ability to aquire and act on information, is a fundamental property of reality. It's just that something as simple as an atom doesn't have many choice vectors. To use Levin's magnet against a barrier example, the magnet can't go around the barrier to get to what it's attracted to because it has very limited choice vectors.

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poetinapaperbag's avatar

Bullshit,

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Explorer's avatar

Likely not.

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